Winchester says the .350 Legend drops 7.6 inches at 200 yards and just over 28 inches at 300 yards when zeroed at 100 yards. While these rounds are effective on deer, they’re also hard-recoiling, and a .45 caliber projectile is hardly required to take down the average whitetail. Mag. All Rights Reserved. I used a 450 and this year went to a 350. My 20 gauge averages were better than 12 gauge in part due to the recoil. Having grown up shooting 12-gauge Foster slugs at deer (emphasis on the word “at”), I was happy to see there was a new cartridge providing plenty of energy and a flat-enough trajectory to handle most deer hunting in the eastern United States without the abusive recoil of a slug gun or one of the big .40-plus straight-wall rounds. at 2941: 9.0: 43.4: 12 gauge, 2.75" (1-1/2 oz. They are quite pleasant to shoot. Reduced overall length is an advantage when hunting in straight-wall-only states, where most hunters use tree stands or ground blinds and will benefit from a short, maneuverable hunting rifle. at 1185) 6.5: 31.0.300 Wby. The 300 Blackout data was with a 16″ barrel, and the rest were with 20″ barrels. If you see a 0 in the Recoil Velocity column it signifies no … But even those shooters who don’t roll their own ammo can afford to shoot this cartridge. Didn't even feel the recoil. Josh Wayner for TTAG. It won’t propel a high-BC bullet at supersonic velocities to a mile or more, but it’ll kill deer and pigs and black bear and other North American game effectively out to a couple hundred paces, and it will do so without breaking the bank. 20 gauge slug gun vs. 350 Legend. and almost a quarter the recoil force of a .450 Bushmaster of the same weight. Any thoughts? 12 gauge shotguns have the most notorious recoil out there. "I compare the recoil to a .20 gauge slug gun," said Miller. Generations of legendary excellence, consistent performance and outstanding value continues with Winchester® “USA White Box” 350 Legend. and .243 Win. Shotgunworld Recoil Measurements By Shotgun. The .350 Legend does fill a void in today's commercial cartridges—albeit a manmade one. Harsh Recoil. If you haven’t yet look into this cartridge. It would be ok in the woods, but limited on fields obviously. In fact, it’s one of the few cartridges released in recent memory that actually brags about besting the ballistics of the century-old .30-30, although this power gap is marginal. To give you an idea, a punch from an average person has about 90 ft-lbs of energy. Probably not. In my home state of Ohio—as well as many other states like Indiana, Illinois and Michigan—hunters had been required to use muzzleloaders or shotguns with slugs to hunt deer during firearms season. The 20-gauge rifled slug may not be any more intrusive to your interior walls that the 9mm defensive round and probably less so if you were shooting 9mm of FMJ design (with the exception of … But there are questions about the cartridge that need to be looked […] The recoil surprised me! It also boasts approximately 20-percent less recoil than the .243 Win and has less recoil than the … It’s pretty darn accurate shooting Remington Accutips. 350 Legend vs Other Straight-Wall Cartridges The 350 Legend will be used primarily in states that do not allow typical rifle cartridges but do allow straight-wall ammunition. I'm going to wait and see. With that, depending on where I decide to hunt, shots can be anywhere from 30-50 yards in the woods to seeing deer farther than I could ethically shoot on the fields. I�m trying to decide if it is worthwhile to buy a 350 Legend (assuming the straight wall cartridge goes through) or stick with the Savage 220. No hard specs are provided regarding the various bullet weights potentially fired from the various cartridges, but there’s a reasonable takeaway: All produce mild recoil. Note that you can get some of the reduced recoil slugs that tend to have a slightly slower powder and draw out the recoil over a longer period of time. In the process, it developed a new cartridge that should appeal to a large percentage of big game hunters in this country. Plus I love oddball rounds that do one thing really well. David Fortier talks with Jeff Hoffman of Black Hills Ammunition about the evolution of the .308 Win. All recoil values have been rounded off to one decimal place. at 3240) 10.0: 47.3: 12 gauge, 3" (1-5/8 oz. Recoil pads and low-recoil ammo definitely help, but the recoil is still substantial. of punch at 200 yards—over 100 ft.-lbs. That’s about 10 percent less recoil than a .30-30, 20 percent less than a .243 Win. or the .30-30 Win. Shotgun Gauges Explained 10 Vs 12 16 20 28 410 Big Hunting. Of the cartridges designed to work in standard AR15 rifles the 6.5 Grendel or some variant of the 6.8's are the only ones that really improve on 223 ballistics. All recoil values have been rounded off to one decimal place. Very close to the recoil of a 12 gauge 1 ounce slug. Generally, with a 250-grain bullet, the 450 Bushmaster sports an approximate 2,200-fps muzzle velocity, 2,675 foot-pounds of energy out of the barrel and drops 4-5 inches between 100 and 200 yards. However, I'll take the recoil for the power advantage and extended range. Of course, Winchester Repeating Arms has the .350 Legend well covered with several XPR variants, including the 16.5-inch-barreled suppressor-ready Stealth ($619.99), the 22-inch-barreled Scope Combo ($709.99), the 20-inch-barreled Compact Scope Combo ($709.99), the walnut-stocked Sporter ($599.99), and various camo-stocked models like the 20-inch-barreled Hunter in Kryptek Highlander … Interlock is a traditional lead tipped bullet. It is softer than my old .44 Mag carbines, and they were fine. Heavy Metal here: https://bit.ly/30wF6wWTruly appreciate you watching the videos!! It has an advertised velocity of 2,325 fps and a ballistic coefficient of .223. Manufacturer - Remington Bullet - 1oz Rifled Slug Case - 2-3/4" Plastic Hull Use - Hunting Quantity - 5 Rounds Per Box, 250 Rounds Per Case [split] The Remington Managed Recoil Slugger delivers hard hitting, deer dropping performance. I think biggest benefits to the 350 are AR platform, and ammo availability/price. Last but not least, the .350 Legend … This puts the .350 Legend firmly into the “easy to shoot” category. For those that are recoil sensitive and/or youth and women, the 350 Legend will work very well. The .350 Legend, in fact, produces about 8.5 pounds of felt recoil in a 7-pound rifle—less than a .243 Win. But if you’re choosing an animal to be the face of your new cartridge, there’s no better option since about 90 percent of American big game hunters pursue these deer. This load generates 1,800 ft.-lbs. When fired from the same Model 101 Field, it’s going to generate 27.0 ft lbs recoil energy. Recoil is little more than a slight shove, and the impact is mitigated by the XPR’s Inflex recoil pad. The only reason you need.....because you don't have one. of energy at the muzzle and retains a bit more than 900 ft.-lbs. shot and a muzzle velocity of 1,185 fps has recoil energy of 31 ft-lbs when shot from a 6.5 lbs shotgun. 175 Gr. However, I'll take the recoil for the power advantage and extended range. I'm not particularly recoil sensitive, but the 12 gauge firing the heavy slugs with the big powder charge will absolutely generate considerably more recoil than a .308. I think I read the 450 is like 24 ftlb recoil w/o a break and my gun has a cushy pad. In general, yes, the 20 gauge is the better platform for rifled slug guns for deer. In the table below rifle weight is given in pounds, free recoil energy is given in foot pounds, and free recoil velocity is given in feet-per-second. at 1280) 7.5: 52.0.416 Rem. But you're still talking about 10-11 ft lbs of recoil, which isn't much. My experience has been that the biggest difference in recoil is that between a gas operated semi-auto and a pump or other fixed breech type gun, and that 20 gauge gas operated semi's are pretty reasonable guns to shoot 20 gauge slugs in. These new laws offered a number of alternatives to slug guns, and the demand for rifles chambered in .45-70, .450 Bushmaster, .450 Marlin and other straight-wall rounds increased dramatically. RECOIL: With lighter bullets, the .450 Bushmaster, .350 Legend and other straight-wall cartridges generate less recoil than a 12-gauge slug (especially a rifled version) in a standard hunting load. Rubber meet road, because if there is anyone point in .450 Bushmaster vs .350 Legend battle where one wins out, it’s here. Of the cartridges designed to work in standard AR15 rifles the 6.5 Grendel or some variant of the 6.8's are the only ones that really improve on 223 ballistics. Even a 20-gauge slug has more weight and size than any fully expanded rifle or pistol caliber projectile. (200 gr. Basically, I was trying to save some money. Winchester claims the 350 Legend is the world’s fastest straight-walled cartridge and has more energy than the 30-30 Win, 300 Blackout and 223 Rem. Living in Ohio, I was thrilled to hear Winchester had developed a cartridge specifically designed to meet the requirements in my home state. 200yds max on both. Recoil of the 350 Legend will be almost exactly the same as 243. All RifleShooter subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. And so, if you want to hunt deer with an AR-style rifle, or if you’re introducing your kid to hunting and don’t want them to get discouraged by the massive recoil of a 12-gauge slug, you now have one new option: the .350 Legend cartridge developed by Winchester. 12ga 300gr sabot slugs have 2660 ft/lb at the muzzle. at 2400) I've also picked up a little Savage Axis .350 Legend, and find that level of recoil to be a complete non-issue. That aside, I have a 220 as well. The company’s 145-grain FMJ white box ammo printed velocities that were slightly lower, and the two loads strike roughly at the same point of impact. Mag. In the table below rifle weight is given in pounds, free recoil energy is given in foot pounds, and free recoil velocity is given in feet-per-second. Give me a reason to purchase a new rifle. Match bullet. Now, if I could find a 350 Legend in a pump rifle I’d be all over it. That may change, though, based on future ammunition and rifle advancements. I didn’t want to derail the other thread on straight wall cartridge rifles for deer hunting, so I’ll post here. Here is a nice 12 Gauge shell with ⅞ oz of shot and a 1,200 fps muzzle velocity. The 12 gauge is a womper compared to that. I find it more practical to zero the rifle at 150 yards, which means the Deer Season XP bullet will strike about two inches high at 100 yards and will drop four inches at 200 yards. Give a Gift   .450 Bushmaster Vs .350 Legend Cost. Furthermore, the .350 Legend’s noise and muzzle blast are minimal. The redux of the Browning A-Bolt slug gun is in 12 gauge only, so if the A-Bolt is what you want you don't have a choice of gauge. The Legend’s overall case length of 1.71 inches, for instance, is well below the 1.8-inch maximum length adopted by states like Michigan. A 12 gauge 3” shell has about 55 ft. lbs of recoil, that is enough to give you a severely jarred shoulder after a few rounds. The accutip is 260 grain wha't the heaviest the 350 come with? Reloaders with Marlin or Henry carbines (20 inch barrel) in .35 Rem. The .350 Legend is one of the most mild-mannered centerfire hunting cartridges I’ve fired. The Deer Season XP load is designed expressly for deer hunting. SAAMI adopted the cartridge this year and gives an overall case length of 1.171 inches, a minimum overall length of 2.125 inches, a maximum overall length of 2.260 inches, and a pressure of 55,000 psi. Straight-wall cartridge rifles have really taken off for whitetail deer hunting in the Midwest United States the last few years. more than the .30-30 fired from a 20-inch barrel or a .300 BLK fired from a 16-inch barrel. The Caldwell AR500 steel targets are offered in seven sizes and various hanging solutions to fit your specific shooting range needs. I have a Savage 220 That I purchased about 5 or so years ago. The .350 Legend has a number of great advantages, and it’s gotten a very positive reception. Shotgun Recoil Chart Amr. If you were hunting fields in a legitimate rifle county, you'd be in a better position with a rifle. The .257 Bob, as it is affectionately known by its fans, began life as a wildcat but was … Additionally, the .350 Legend produces scant recoil—just 8.52 pounds in a seven-pound rifle. A 20 gauge 3” shell with 1-¼ oz. The .350 Legend has a lot of limitations for design, but Hornady was up to the challenge. I love my 220 with accutips. This is from Federal's trajectory chart not my testing. I just saw the post above: If Winchester is going to sell 350 Legend shells for $9 per box of 20, that's cheaper than about anything other than bulk .223. Demand for .350 Legend-chambered rifles is so high the owner of the gunshop where I picked up my sample rifle asked to buy the gun if possible when I was done with it because he’d had so many requests. I've shot a few boxes of those and plan on shooting more. I typically use my Remington 7600 30-06 there. Born in 1873, .45-70 Govt. (300 gr. Using 20 gauge sabots with a stated muzzle velocity of 1900 fps, the actual velocity derived is more in the neighborhood of 1750 fps. So 350 Legend is about on par with a 20ga power at brush hunting ranges with less than half the recoil. 12ga, while having much more energy is … The reason for this is that standard slug gun test barrels are 30 inches long, not generally available or desirable, but with a standard … Get the top Rifle Shooter stories delivered right to your inbox. 20ga slugs have 1800 ft/lb vs the 350 Legend that has 1825 ft/lb at the muzzle. 20 gauge, 3" (1-1/4 oz. recoil energy; 20-gauge … The reason I bought the gun is that it came with a slug barrel (deer season) and a smooth barrel with threee chokes (turkey season). This doesn’t mean the Legend is solely suited for whitetails. We have a large round with a lot of frontal area leaving the barrel of a shotgun at about 1,580 fps (Remington Slugger) as compared to a .356 round leaving a 4″ pistol barrel at about 1,310 fps). I’d say my .450 kicks less than a 20 gauge slug gun. Here are a few key features that make the 350 Legend unique among the straight-walled case line-up: These include Deer Season XP 150-grain Extreme Point, Super-X 180-grain Power-Point, USA white box 145-grain full metal jacket, Power Max Bonded 160-grain jacketed hollowpoint, and a 265-grain Open Tip Super Suppressed subsonic load. and almost a quarter the recoil force of a .450 Bushmaster of the same weight. As a result, I shot 20 gauge in the 12 gauge events at skeet tournaments. Slug Gun vs. Muzzleloader in Non-Centerfire Zones Many states or urban/suburban hunting zones within states are relegated to “shotgun-only” designations during whitetail seasons where centerfire rifles—the main method for taking deer across much of its hunting range—are not permitted. This means you can sight in your .350 Legend rifle using FMJ ammunition that costs 50 cents a round and when you’re ready to take the gun hunting you won’t have to make major adjustments to dial in your deer hunting load. 20-gauge shotshell—Many might consider this one borderline, but let’s run some numbers based on popular target loads: 28-gauge ¾ -ounce-12.8 ft.-lbs. (400 gr. Ballistics are shown in the accompanying chart. 350 legend vs 450 bushmaster: Ballistics at a Glance To better understand these calibers, we analyzed the ballistics of each. One gun for both seasons. For youth hunter 350 would be nice for sure but honestly my Savage.450 doesn’t have much kick at all. Recoil is not a factor, I love shooting my 12 gauge. Ok gang I‘ve almost talked myself into buying a .350 legend. 20ga slugs have 1800 ft/lb vs the 350 Legend that has 1825 ft/lb at the muzzle. 175 Gr. I didn�t want to derail the other thread on straight wall cartridge rifles for deer hunting, so I�ll post here. Now, check out this 12 Gauge shell with a 1 oz slug and 1,560 fps muzzle velocity. Designed by reloaders for reloaders, the Frankford Arsenal FX-10 is a 10-station automatic-indexing reloading press purpose-built from the ground up to be the ultimate progressive reloading press. The all-new 350 Legend is a high-performing straight-walled cartridge that is ideal for hunters and sport shooters. Water capacity for the Legend case is 36.5 grains, and it takes a Small Rifle primer. 20-gauge shotshell—Many might consider this one borderline, but let’s run some numbers based on popular target loads: 28-gauge ¾ -ounce-12.8 ft.-lbs. The slug is slightly oversized or great smooth bore shotgun performance, resulting Sighted for 20 yards it will be 3-4 inches high at 100, dead on again around 140 yards, and in the dirt by 300 yards. That specific need has to do with recent changes to game laws that allow hunters to use straight-wall cartridges for hunting deer. I had the exact same question. If we were to fire it out of a 7 lb Winchester Model 101 Field, it would generate 13.9 ft lbs recoil energy. 12 Gauge Shotgun. I used to shoot a little 870 Special Field with light bird loads and didn't find that to be a problem. As mentioned, the published ballistics have the .350 Legend Deer Season XP dropping seven to eight inches at 200 yards when zeroed at 100 yards. Slug Guns Twenty Gauge Vs Twelve What Is Better. I'm sure the 350 Legend has a flatter trajectory and less recoil. Winchester recently released another new cartridge: the .350 Legend. The Legend is also found in the rest of the XPR line, 14 models in all. Now a days, 12 ga, 7/8 oz loads are available, if not commercially, at least from reloading. Subscriber Services. Source(s): 40 years shooting, 20 years teaching. I’d say the .350 is definitely a 200 yard gun and maybe a 250 yard Whitetail killer but if you want a 300 yard rifle got to go up to the .450 bushmaster. For those that are recoil sensitive and/or youth and women, the 350 Legend will work very well. Yea I can't wait to shoot it. With a tough bullet this rifle will be perfect for hogs out to moderate ranges, and this cartridge will make an excellent option for hunting black bears over bait. Jot down a list of the world’s best hunting cartridges and you’ll find many of them were developed by Winchester. Christensen Arms Mesa Titanium Edition Rifle Review, 10 Best AR-15 Optic & Sight Options Right Now, .25-06 Rem. Light, accurate, leaves big holes in deer. The FMJ ammo shot a respectable 1.3 inches. The 20 gauge slug is the shortest range choice listed. Taken dozens of deer with it...350 legend certainly won't do anything it can't already do. brass to make .350 Legend cases. This was a good, baseline round, but Hornady wanted to surpass it and design a better hunting round. Offering high velocity and low recoil, the 350 Legend is easy to shoot. Some are easier on the shoulder than 20-gauge slug loads. The Winchester .350 Legend case is similar in many respects to the .223 Rem., but the two cases are not interchangeable. Post subject: Lyman's 20 Gauge 350 Grain Sabot Slug. The list includes the .30-30, .270, .308, a .300 magnum and the various short magnums just to name a few. But you're still talking about 10-11 ft lbs of recoil, which isn't much. Both have pluses and minuses. In MD I hunt a farm in Harford County. You can rest assured that more AR manufacturers will jump aboard the Legend bandwagon in the months to come. “The .350 Legend brass is similar but definitely not the same as .223/5.56,” says Nathan Robinson, Winchester media relations manager. Winchester is currently offering five different loads for the .350 Legend, all of which should hit store shelves by late spring or summer. |   My first deer gun was a Winchester Model 1300 Black Shadow 12-gauge pump. I can see where this 350 legand could fill that gap where a hunter wants more "hit" than a 44 magnum but does not want the recoil of a 45-70. I see this comparison as a 12 gauge vs. 20 gauge. The rifle I tested was the entry-level XPR, which comes with a basic black synthetic stock and matte blued finish and carries a suggested retail price of $549. They claim that the 350 Legend has “more energy that 30-30 Win., 300 Blackout and 223 Rem.” They included a chart with that claim that shows a 200 yard energy comparison. Pretty easy for most hunters, including younger ones and those new to firearms, to handle. Recoil and penetration make it look like it’d be … So 350 Legend is about on par with a 20ga power at brush hunting ranges with less than half the recoil. Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1. Winchester’s Deer Season XP load promises a muzzle velocity of 2,325 fps, and on the range velocities were slightly higher, averaging 2,345 fps when the chronograph was placed 10 feet from the muzzle—confirming Winchester’s claim that this is the fastest straight-wall cartridge on the market. Definitely another incentive to buy. Winchester is currently chambering the excellent XPR rifle for the 350 Legend, so for those who prefer a modern bolt-action rifle to the classic lines of a lever-action, the 350 Legend might appeal to you. The manufacturer first launched its American Whitetail .350 Legend with 170 gr Interlock bullet in April 2019. Based on a modified .223 Rem.’s rimless case, the .350 Legend shares the .223’s .378-inch base diameter and headspaces off the case mouth. Personally, I would encourage you to find a friend who has a 450 Bushmaster who will let you range test the two weapons side by side at 150-200 yards, firing at least 20 rounds out of each.
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