If Byleth chooses to speak with Edelgard and participate in her coronation, there will be an extra alternative choice in the Holy Tomb when Rhea orders the execution of Edelgard, now revealed t… You do not believe in it at all, do you? I remember now. Edelgard (JP): Because that [i.e., war] leads to the fewest casualties. With that way of doing things, in the end, you cannot change the structure of the strong ruling over the weak. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FireEmblemThreeHouses community, Continue browsing in r/FireEmblemThreeHouses. Why did you start a war like this? Dimitri's arc is about maintaining systems, structures, and relationships. I left without giving you a proper response...and that was the last time we saw each other. She loves him, but she feels she must kill him. Dimitri Alexandre Blaiddyd is one of the main protagonists in Fire Emblem: Three Houses, alongside Edelgard, Claude and Byleth.He is the crown prince of the Holy Kingdom of Faerghus and the house leader of the Blue Lions. Living without purpose. They are each of the individual people who live on this vast land. Dimitri attempts to reach out to Edelgard and recapture the nostalgic past that never was, Dimitri is literally haunted by false phantoms of the past, and his vengeance is literally his way of attempting to right the wrongs of the past. She is saying how it is ironic that only now can she understand some of Dimitri's feelings (after hearing him talk about the role Byleth and others played in his life), right before she is about to fight Dimitri and Byleth to the death. You may be a Edelgard worshipper or Dimitri hater, but she clearly still has some feelings for him. Apparently claude is a completely different person in Japanese, so I'd be interested to see how his confident statements and lofty goals are presented as a more timid (?) Read this Fire Emblem: Three Houses story walkthrough guide of White Clouds Chapter 7 - Field of the Eagle and Lion. Dimitri (EN): I feel the same. . It makes me wish I understood Japanese to have a better/new understanding of the game. It is the path of the strong, and so, it could only benefit the strong. Thank the Nine I've been waiting for something like this for so long. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/dvmewu/probably_the_worst_mistranslation_of_the_game/. There are also those who cannot live without clinging on to their faith . Dimitri (EN): And do you intend to become a goddess yourself? Here Edelgard is making a general argument about changing the system, not talking about her revolt specifically. . Edelgard (JP): That is not the case. Series There had to be a way to change the states’ situations [lit., ways of being] without using a method that produces needless casualties. Dimitri : How could I? There had to be a way to change things in your territory without the need for so many senseless casualties. Yeah I was surprised when I played BL after finishing BE. Humans are weak creatures. It does not refer to a violent conflict but a large-scale change in the system, in the sense of, say, reforming the education system. If after all of this you believe the weak will still be weak, that is only because they are too used to relying on others instead of on themselves. Comment if you have any thoughts, questions, or corrections. There is something I must give you. This last sentence was a little hard for me to grasp. I think it is safe to assume she is mainly thinking of Byleth when she says this; in CF she tells Byleth how he/she is the only one she can confide in as an equal, and that she probably would have become a cold-hearted, cruel empress (i.e., not have chosen the correct path) if not for him/her. . This is nonsense. You gave me a dagger, all those years ago. Will you steal even the strength to rise up from those whose spirits have been broken? Both of those relate to Thales' dialogue in Shambhala. The trauma of the experiments erased many of her childhood memories, which she hints at in her support conversations with Hubert. I believe that I have chosen the best path, the only path. To that effect, I will not draw any grand or controversial conclusions. She has a dignified, high-minded, solemn air about her, and she coolly evaluates her surroundings and those around her before she acts. I should have given you something that would've made you happier. Seriously though, fantastic write up. . You cannot change the cycle of the strong dominating the weak with a method like that. But you cannot force that belief onto others. . While "Our Chosen Paths" is also a fitting title for the chapter, the JP title relates more directly to the topic of their conversation, i.e., people/humanity (hito). Byleth chooses not to speak with Edelgard before her coronation, or rejects her offer to take part in her coronation. It is in this conversation that we see how their ideal views of humanity differ. Dimitri: Heh, I'm still sorry about that. There are those who cannot live without their faith...and those who cannot go on once they have lost their reason for living. If there is only one line, it means the two versions are essentially the same. King of Faerghus. All things related to Fire Emblem: Three Houses. . You should cut open a path to the future you wish for. I don't own anything yadda yaddaI'm a huge Edelgard stan I only did it this way because it's the way that makes the most sense. The ones who change the way of the world are not rulers. That we cannot understand each other. I will get straight to the point. As good as dead. マールス => Mars instead of Malum, リウム might be derived from イリウム, or Ilium, Latin word for Troy). The one I was most interested in comparing was the Book of Seiros, Part II, since I think that references the same flood mythology the Romance of the World's Perdition does - someone did their own translation of that book in this thread, if you want to check that out (or feel free to do your own, since that's probably the most important book - the more the merrier I'd say. Edelgard (JP): . 1 Description 2 Interlude 3 Edelgard 4 Dimitri 5 Claude 6 DEATH BATTLE 7 Conclusion Fire Emblem Three Houses Battle Royale. It revealed all the playable characters of the DLC, confirming that Edelgard, Dimitri and Claude are all playable together. Language: English Why did you start this war? If I could figure out how to even edit the Pegasus Knight wiki, I'd maybe throw a page up for these books, but every time I try it just says "forbidden" lol. Dimitri: Edelgard. Edelgard (JP): A fleeting story, Dimitri. Someone has to take action and put a stop to this world's endless, blood-stained history! . Certain subtle cues, however, are completely beyond him and he is a lost cause on a good day when it comes to reading specific overtures and signs from women. That she is talking about herself is also evident in how she looks down with a sad expression while saying these lines. The focus will be more on objectively pointing out differences in nuance rather than bashing Treehouse, defending Edelgard, or whatever. The translators read “state” (kokka) as referring only to Edelgard’s territory (i.e., the Empire), which is a natural reading grammatically but makes no sense in context because obviously she wouldn’t have to start a war to change things in just her territory. First off, the title of the chapter, "Our Chosen Paths". . They both fully accept that they are no longer the people they used to be. In the JP, the concept of the "have-nots" is introduced earlier in the conversation, setting up for a key point toward the end when Edelgard reverses the concept (although that later point in the EN is altered anyway). This is my first time trying something like this. . That girl you knew back then is gone. In the EN, they replace one instance of "you" (anata 貴方) here with "my dear, forgotten friend". Thanks for the translation! It might be worth it to compare them to the English versions (here are the original ones and the DLC ones), just to see if there's any discrepancies. . As the emperor, I shall await your arrival in Enbarr. I was left with a bitter feeling afterwards. . It's funny that just before I read this, this japanese fan I follow on twitter outright said the english version of the game sucks hahah. . . -Albert Einstein. I found it so hard to understand Edelgards point when reached this part in AM but the context here makes it much more clear. She wants to change things for all of Fodlan, including the other two states which were once part of the Empire, which is why I read “your territory” as plural “states”. But, they are also creatures who, through helping each other and supporting each other, can choose the correct path. Edelgard (EN): The longer we took to revolt, the more victims this crooked world would have claimed. that is no more than self-righteousness. Ultimately the wording suggests that Dimitri views Fodlan as one whole, with borders and such being superficial. King of Faerghus, I, as empress, will be awaiting you and the others’ arrival at the imperial capital. Legend says that if an unmarried man and woman make a vow to the Goddess on that night, their wish would be granted. Dimitri (JP): . . Pushing your own sense of justice and your own ideals onto even one other person is no more than self-righteousness. Edelgard (EN): You're wrong. Dimitri (JP): . Yes. Dimitri (JP): . . Why doesn't anyone find it strange that battles happen at the end of every month? But, do not force that onto others. Dimitri (EN): True. 1. Don’t you understand? It's Dimitri the Boar Prince, Edelgard-sama! This is fantastic, thank you for posting! When is it safe to start the DLC side story? In JP, she is still making general claims, but she is clearly also talking about herself, i.e., she is narrating her own experiences being locked away and experimented on. How Japanese. But he did have one friend: a young Princess Edelgard, who briefly visited him while briefly in exile from the neighboring Adrestian Empire. the strength of people [to do that]. Haha, perhaps it seems like a deep artistic choice from the perspective of an English speaker, but to me that is just how the Japanese language works. ', I'm not sure if Japanese native speakers would go ," hah yeah, our books are so simplistic, that's our style of writing.". ignessie Mar 17, 2020 Minor White Cloud spoilers, but they are step siblings. Dimitri (EN): Do you not believe in the power of people to join together and rise up? To produce the reading chosen in the EN of "(you) think they will still be weak", you would have to read de arō as speculative, which would be unnatural because elsewhere in the dialog she uses the more feminine deshō for the speculative “to be”. When Edelgard wakes up, Dimitri finds out she remembers nothing at all. Dimitri was born the oldest son of King Lambert of Faerghus, with all the royal responsibilities that came with it. And, naturally, Dimitri and Edelgard were a man and a woman who were not married. ~Ice~ it's still interesting to see how translations can only mirror the originals by that much. Dimitri (JP): . People can live that way too—I learned that from the professor . This conversation makes more sense now that I've read the Japanese version. This is just for anyone who may be interested. Dimitri (EN): Even after seeing the faces of those who have suffered the ravages of war, you would still force them to throw their lives away for the future? How to get s rank with sothis! Well, what a legend you are for doing this. That pretty much impacts her whole arc of dismantling the pedestal she put Byleth on. In JP (hito no yuku michi 人の行く道), a very literal translation would be "The Path on Which People Go" or, more liberally, "The Path of Humanity". Who to give Elegant hair clip lost item to? . . . . That structure, I am trying to destroy it utterly. I will answer. In order to put an end to this blood-stained history. Dimitri. Thank you. . Edelgard (JP): . NEED TO KNOW? Your “correct” . Summary. Join along as we discuss the latest title for Fire Emblem on the Nintendo Switch! Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. However, that past self has died (she makes a clear distinction between her past and present self, as seen again at the end of the dialog and in CF after Tailtean Plains), and the present Edelgard now has the strength to rise up on behalf of the weak. Thanks to you, my spirit did not break. Edelgard (EN): Maybe it is self-righteousness, but it doesn't matter. Weighing the casualties of war against them, I chose to produce the former. . I've read some English translated Japanese books, and the 'Japanese style' of writing that English readers swoon about seem to be, ' oh look at those Japanese writers, so few words, no flowery language, yet stuffed full of meaning. Thank you for the detailed list of problems. . And I can be counted among those who have died that way as well. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. I have noticed minor things Treehouse has missed, like the Agarthan lore, e.g. Edelgard (EN): I...I remember now. Dimitri (JP): . Dimitri asks Mercedes and Lysithea for help to look for treatments. Edelgard (JP): The longer reform takes, the more casualties born into this crooked world. . Perhaps someone as strong as you are can claim something like that. What did you want to talk about? killergamer13 1 year ago #1. I pretty much agree with your interpretation of it. directly associated with the experimentation that Edelgard went through when she was younger, he is Is Almyra based on Portugals or the Middle East? It is a sweet memory with a bitter ending. i didn't know that Dimitri is edelgard (Spoilers). If anyone is interested, I would be happy to take requests for other scenes (except for a few which I don't want to watch repeatedly). The me from that time is no more. Dimitri is no fool, quite the opposite in everything related to strategy, battle, and of course some of the nuances of political maneuvering and diplomacy. Including conversation options, battle tips, quests, and more! . With your way of doing things, you definitely cannot save them. Byleth/Flayn), but I haven't investigated that much into it yet because I've been focused on something else right now. The lore books might be hard for me because I have no knowledge of European history or Christianity, so things like the names you mention would just go over my head. However, Edelgard has been in a coma for a year. Re: Edelgard's Meritocracy and how Crests still impact it. In order to put an end to this blood-stained history. You’ll notice through the artwork, is that all four units have their design based on their FE Cipher (the FE trading card game) artwork. I finally understand it. Dimitri (JP): . Warnings: There will be no pregnancy/offspring/marriage in any work of mine. After this conversation in my first playthrough I was so confused. Dimitri (EN): I will get straight to the point. If you think there are other interesting conversations that got mistranslated, please share if you like! In Azure Moon, it is he who walks the "Path of Humanity" as Edelgard turns herself into a monster, while in Crimson Flower it is Edelgard who builds a "World for Humanity" (hito no yo 人の世). Would give you a thousand upvotes if I could. Well then? Use it to cut a path to the future you wish for. As a reminder, we have winners of each gender Dimitri and Edelgard, as well as runners-up Claude and Lysithea. At the time, I was quite flustered by such a dangerous gift. It also involves the families of many characters who are close to Edelgard while the only characters really involved in Duscur are Cornelia who barely interacts with Dimitri and Kleiman who doesn't even appear in the game. Thanks a bunch. I finally understand how you feel a little. In the EN, it sounds like she is remembering only that he gave her a dagger that time, but, in my reading, the JP suggests that she is remembering not only the dagger but also that Dimitri was the boy she played with in her time in the Kingdom. Taking each others’ hands and rising up . Fragments of a Forgotten Memoir might be related too, since it says "All that's left of us is to disappear in the muddy waters Seiros has created" in English, but idk I haven't actually looked at it yet. People are weak creatures. You, [are the boy who] that time, gave me that dagger. Thank you. . It really puts some things in ultimate perspective that the ENG leaves very confused. Edelgard: Perhaps. Earlier in the conversation, Dimitri accuses Edelgard of trampling on the "have-nots", using the word in the usual sense of low socioeconomic status, but here she throws the term back at Dimitri to point out how he is privileged to have what she does not: those people who have offered him mutual support and helped him to choose the correct path. Yes, I feel the same. Fire Emblem Heroes Video Introduces Edelgard, Dimitri, Claude, … Seeing the trailer for the Cindered Shadows DLC, which is included below Even if you can't understand it, I definitely think it's worth trying out the Japanese voiceover at least once. I haven't looked too deep into the supports myself yet, but I did just read Claude/Annette's yesterday, and now I think her song might be about Agarthans on a metatextual level lol. . . Edelgard (JP): Heh, so you say that I am one of the strong, do you?. . [The Japanese trailer can be viewed here]. CF Maddening Without Edelgard - Would this be harder than SS? It is a way of doing things for the strong, by the strong. Also the face she makes to his "El" call out showed some emotion in a rather dry girl. The point is not the number of people but the degree of separation in status from the Emperor, i.e., from the top all the way down. Edelgard (EN): Heh, so you consider me strong, do you? i didn't know that Dimitri is edelgard (Spoilers) User Info: killergamer13. Thought, I'm finally starting to understand how you feel. I believe that is the best path. . In terms of actual story conversations, I can't think of anything major or glaring that hasn't already been mentioned right now - at least, I'm pretty sure someone's already covered Edelgard's "Someone without equal who I can always speak my mind to" in CF chapter 18, when she says the opposite, 「たった一人の、対等に話せる相手……。」 instead. With Azure Moon route as the story background, Dimitri saves Edelgard's life. Edelgard von Hresvelg is one of main protagonists of Fire Emblem: Three Houses, alongside Dimitri, Claude and Byleth.She is the imperial princess, heir to the throne of the Adrestian Empire, and house leader of the Black Eagles. Anyway, I do think there's something bigger with that flood/sea mythology, since I'm pretty sure I found references in a couple of support convos too (e.g. I'd say most of the uninvestigated discrepancies right now are in the support conversations, especially since some characters have been changed so drastically (someone else mentioned Claude, but there's also Hubert who got changed into someone pretty rude when he's probably the politest character in the game in Japanese as far as I can tell). Fire Emblem: Three Houses Theory - Why Edelgard Forgot [SPOILER] Greetings, I know not how, but I inadvertantly [mentally] misread Edelgard's name as "Edgelord"; thusfore, my initial reading of this art-piece's title was "Dimitri and Edgelord". But, precisely because of that, now I know. Honestly that “oh you think I’m strong do you 😏” line totally sells out her character in the English version. those who, having lost their purpose in living, cannot start walking. I have learned that humans are capable of all that from the professor...and from everyone in my life. I think certain events might have caused her memory to go a little fuzzy in some areas. Up until that point, Edelgard did not know that she and Dimitri were childhood friends (see her Goddess of the Tower dialog; also, there is a dialog between Dimitri and Edelgard in Cindred Shadows where Edelgard wonders how he knew that her hair wasn't originally white). Dimitri (JP): Even after seeing the faces of the people suffering from the ravages of war, you would still force them to throw their lives away for the future? Do you intend to become a goddess or something? In this post I will compare the JP and EN versions of Dimitri and Edelgard's conversation before the final battle. As for the future...that will be decided in battle. Both of them are individuals who faced tragedy in their lives (Tragedy of Duscur for Dimitri and the Crest experiments for Edelgard), both swear to make those who made them suffer pay and avenge those who were taken from them, and both are willing to go to extreme lengths to make that happen, though in quite different ways; Dimitri seeks direct retaliation against those who committed such unjust atrocities to those he cared for, while Edelgard … Dimitri (JP): . As for the "this is nonsense" line, it is clear she is not making such a derisive remark because she has a bittersweet smile when she says it. El. But they are also creatures who help each other, support each other, and together, find the right path. In the EN, the subject of the two halves of the sentence are different: the first half describes what Dimitri believes about the weak people, while the second half is about the weak people themselves. I know Sylvain's support with Mercedes has been pretty gutted - which I think has to do with editing out a potential subplot about him and Miklan - but I did get into a discussion with someone a while ago about some risque dialogue left out or changed. Precisely because of that, I must correct this world, on behalf of the weak. It makes more sense, and is more natural grammatically, if you read the entire sentence with the subject as the weak people: the ones who are spoiled (i.e., used to relying on others) are those who, of their own volition, remain weak even after the aforementioned structure is destroyed. People aren’t as strong creatures as you think. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. The "highborn" remark seems to be relatively well known in the community already (e.g., [this post] (https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/dvmewu/probably_the_worst_mistranslation_of_the_game/)).
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